Conversation with Howard
Zinn
by Andrea Licata
March 2004
Authoritative scholar, internationally
known, Professor Emeritus in Political Science at Boston University,
Howard Zinn (1922) is one of the most brilliant historians of USA. Free
and original voice, attentive and exact writer, Zinn is today, to begin
with the US, one of the most important reference points for the peace
movement.
What interests pushed the US into the
war against Iraq?
First, the oil of the Middle East, which has been central to U.S.
policy in the Middle East since the end of World War II, when the
United States replaced England as the main player in the oil industry
of the Middle East. Second: the need to have another military base in
the Middle East. Third: internal politics, that is, the Bush
administration came into office under a cloud, the strange election of
2000, and Bush needed to boost his standing with the public. He knew,
his advisers knew, that when a President gets into a war, his public
approval immediately goes up because people feel they must stand behind
the President.
Which are the reactions of US
university circles to this new war?
There is no one reaction. I would guess that most Faculty are
opposed to the war in Iraq. As for students, there is a great deal of
ignorance and misinformation among students, and so they would be like
the general population, half for, half against the war. Those of us who
speak around the country to large student audiences of one or two
thousands (and these are not anti-war groups) as soon as we give them
some information they respond positively to our anti-war message.
What kind of opposition against the
war has emerged in universities?
The universities have not been leaders in the opposition. The anti-war
activity has been mostly in communities all over the country.
Are these movements internationalist?
Do you mean, do these movements have an internationalist consciousness,
I would say yes. These movements feel a kinship with the Iraqi people
and a kinship with all those people in Europe and elsewhere in the
world who protested against the war.
What about the so-called patriotic
university associations and patriotic university teachers in favor of
the war? What about their effort?
There is very little organized pro-war activity in the universities.
The Faculty who favor the war tend to be quiet about it, knowing that
their position is a minority position.
How would you describe the history and
the current situation of military researches in US Universities?
What can we do today to contrast them anywhere?
I'm not sure what you mean by "military researches".
I mean the cooperation between
universities and Defense Department, that is research financed by
Defense Department or by private military industries, research that are
finalized to increase the weapons efficiency, the Strategic Studies...
Many universities have contracts with the Defense Department -
especially places like the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and
Stanford University. This became important during the Cold War, became
an object of interest to the anti-war student movement during the
Vietnam War, and continues today with the huge military budget.
Which suggestions would you give to a
student interested in subjects as peace, nonviolence and
antimilitarism? Which are the more open-minded US Universities
under this point of view?
I would say that New York University, especially in the History
Department, has very politically conscious and anti-war Faculty. To
some extent, Columbia University, the University of California at
Berkeley, the University of Wisconsin. There is an organization called
"Historians against the war" (they have a website -
historiansagainstwar.org,
I think).
Which are, according to you, the most
interesting US writers that a European student could read?
Noam Chomsky of course, Barbara Ehrenreich (Nickel and dimed), Daniel
Ellsberg (Secrets), Chalmers
Johnson (Blowback and The sorrow of empire), Marilyn
Young (The Vietnam Wars) also
the novelist Barbara Kingsolver, especially her novel The poisonwood bible which deals
with the Congo. Of course, Michael Moore.
Which initiatives are you busy with in
the last months? With which European intellectuals do you have good
collaborations?
I am involved with "Historians against the war". I am speaking all over
the country about the war. As for European intellectuals, I am being
reprinted in Le Monde Diplomatique
and have a regular correspondence with the economist Frederic
Clairmonte, who writes for Le Monde
Diplomatique.
As an expert of their history, which
is, according to you, the future of peace movements in the US?
I believe the peace movement is growing, and will continue to grow,
because the failure of "the war on terrorism" and the lies associated
with it, have become more and more obvious to the American public.